hn-classics/_stories/2008/7851927.md

14 KiB
Raw Permalink Blame History

created_at title url author points story_text comment_text num_comments story_id story_title story_url parent_id created_at_i _tags objectID year
2014-06-05T13:50:13.000Z Selection bias and bombers (2008) http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2008/01/21/selection-bias-and-bombers/ awjr 91 18 1401976213
story
author_awjr
story_7851927
7851927 2008

Source

Selection bias example with WWII bombers

John D. Cook

Skip to content

(832) 422-8646

Contact

Selection bias and bombers

Posted on 21 January 2008 by John

During WWII, statistician Abraham Wald was asked to help the British decide where to add armor to their bombers. After analyzing the records, he recommended adding more armor to the places where there was no damage!

This seems backward at first, but Wald realized his data came from bombers that survived. That is, the British were only able to analyze the bombers that returned to England; those that were shot down over enemy territory were not part of their sample. These bombers wounds showed where they could afford to be hit. Said another way, the undamaged areas on the survivors showed where the lost planes must have been hit because the planes hit in those areas did not return from their missions.

Wald assumed that the bullets were fired randomly, that no one could accurately aim for a particular part of the bomber. Instead they aimed in the general direction of the plane and sometimes got lucky. So, for example, if Wald saw that more bombers in his sample had bullet holes in the middle of the wings, he did not conclude that Nazis liked to aim for the middle of wings. He assumed that there must have been about as many bombers with bullet holes in every other part of the plane but that those with holes elsewhere were not part of his sample because they had been shot down.

Click to learn more about Bayesian statistics consulting

 

Categories : Statistics

Tags : Probability and Statistics

Bookmark the permalink

Post navigation

Previous PostRepairing tumors

Next PostC# verbatim strings vs. PowerShell here-strings

42 thoughts on “Selection bias and bombers”

  1. Pingback: Best early blog posts — The Endeavour

  2. Ling

26 November 2009 at 15:09

So is the assumption of random firing justified?

  1. John

27 November 2009 at 23:48

Ling, I think the random firing assumption was justified at the time, given the state of technology. The standard error may have been larger than the size of an airplane.

  1. Speedmaster

6 December 2010 at 09:53

Fantastic example.

  1. Eugene

25 February 2011 at 13:24

Thanks, interesting story!

  1. Alfredo

25 February 2011 at 15:08

Can you cite the source of this excellent example?

  1. Pingback: The Importance of Selection Effects « Daniel J. Smith

  2. Pingback: The Importance of Selection Effects — Marginal Revolution

  3. Rafael

13 September 2011 at 09:31

Wald, Abraham. (1943). A Method of Estimating Plane Vulnerability Based on Damage of Survivors.

http://cna.org/sites/default/files/research/0204320000.pdf

  1. John Thacker

13 September 2011 at 09:40

Alfredo:

Heres a reprint of one of his papers on the subject, and heres another source.

However, while Ive heard this story many time before, I had not heard it claimed that he did this for the British, but rather for the US Navy.

  1. Pingback: Thinking Statistically | Delightfully Distinctive COLRS

  2. Pingback: The Spamlist! » The Importance of Selection Effects

  3. Alfredo

14 September 2011 at 04:12

Thanks. This is good stuff as teaching material.

  1. Pingback: Selection effects » Manlyisms

  2. Pingback: Statistics in a time of war | Blog of Leonid Mamchenkov

  3. Pingback: Selection Effects « Marc Gawley

  4. Pingback: Can selection bias shoot down an argument? « The Melbourne Urbanist

  5. Visa

18 September 2011 at 03:12

I thought that was beautiful, and something that should be a part of basic education for everybody. How many decisions are poorly made because of the problem of silent evidence? This plagues everything from our social lives to government policy, and as a species its about time we got over this.

  1. Pingback: British World War II Bombers An Example of Why I love Economics « Portrait of the Economist as a Young Man

  2. Suzie

20 September 2011 at 07:40

Wait, so what were the final results? Did a higher %age of bombers come back after the fleet was fitted with the armor in Walds recommended areas?

  1. Pingback: More on Democratic Consolidation and Time « Dart-Throwing Chimp

  2. Pingback: DiSH lab blog » Blog Archive » A neat science riddle can you solve it?

  3. Pingback: Selection Bias and WWII Bombers | ≈42

  4. Pingback: Brians Links 20 October 2011: Carnivory, Science, and Art « TheMoralMindfield

  5. Pingback: On Bias and Statistics « Tropewell

  6. Pingback: On Bias and Statistics « Tropewell

  7. Pingback: A Few Random Morning Links … | The Pretense of Knowledge

  8. Glenn

28 September 2012 at 12:41

Dan Meyer did a nice version of this for the high school crowd.
http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=507

Really nice graphic he created to go with the material.

  1. Pingback: Success » Diigo Links (weekly)

  2. Pingback: 7 Quick Takes (9/23/11)

  3. Pingback: Todays Unemployment Number | Points and Figures

  4. Pingback: Military intelligence from serial numbers | John D. Cook

  5. Pingback: Selection bias and bombers « Another Word For It

  6. Ronald Chappell

16 April 2015 at 14:27

Cute statistical study but also suffers from randomness bias. Armor the most vulnerable points; fuel, controls and cockpit, engines etc. Then apply statistics to the rest if you have any weight budget left.

  1. John

16 April 2015 at 15:06

I believe the point of the study was to determine what the most vulnerable parts were.

  1. Pingback: TWiV 340: No shift, measles

  2. Pingback: A Thought On Gun Violence Points and Figures

  3. Pingback: Second languages and selection bias

  4. Pingback: TWiV 340: No shift, measles | This Week in Virology

  5. Pingback: The birthday problem | Datant

  6. Toph Tucker

7 October 2016 at 14:04

I am commenting years later because this is so good. I only came across it more recently and now I cite it to people all the time. I am not yet at the point where I can intuitively spot the pattern in action, but I hope to get there. I reckon the world is full of people solving the most survivable problems and ignoring the problems that remove their victims from the sample.

  1. Pingback: Sunday Morning Insight: D'avions et d'Intelligence Artificielle en France [in French] | A bunch of data

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Comment

Notify me of followup comments via e-mail

Name *

Email *

Website

Search for:

John D. Cook

John D. Cook, PhD

Latest Posts

Categories

CategoriesSelect CategoryBusinessClinical trialsComputingCreativityGraphicsMachine learningMathMusicPowerShellPythonScienceSoftware developmentStatisticsTypographyUncategorized

| ----- | | Subscribe to blog by email | Subscribe via email | | RSS icon | Subscribe via RSS | | Newsletter icon | Monthly newsletter |

John D. Cook

© All rights reserved.

Search for: